Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, said he doesn’t deny that the Trump campaign may have colluded with Russians in the 2016 election — only that Donald Trump himself did not.
Speaking on CNN on Wednesday night, Giuliani claimed he has only said Trump himself was not involved in collusion.
“There is not a single bit of evidence the President of the United States committed the only crime you can commit here, conspiring with the Russians to hack the DNC,” he said.
Giuliani also said Trump has never denied there was no collusion, just that he himself had not colluded. Trump has repeatedly and vociferously said there was “no collusion” and that the Mueller investigation into collusion was a “witch hunt.”
“[Trump] didn’t say ‘nobody,’ he said he didn’t,” Giuliani said. “How would you know nobody in your campaign…” before he was cut off.
Giuliani has, in fact, denied there was any collusion by the Trump campaign on numerous occasions, including telling Fox News’ Laura Ingraham last May that the Trump campaign didn’t use information obtained from Russia thus proving there was no collusion. “If there was collusion with the Russians, they would have used it,” he said at the time. That same month, he told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that “Russian collusion is total fake news.”
The Mueller probe has made a number of connections between members of Trump’s campaign and Russians.
Later in Wednesday’s interview, Giuliani appeared to backtrack, saying that if “the collusion happened, it happened a long time ago. . . . It’s not provable because it never happened. … I’m telling you there’s no chance it happened.”
In a CNN interview in July, Giuliani questioned even whether collusion is criminal. “I don’t even know if that’s a crime, colluding about Russians,” he said.
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